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"distressing" plaster
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Akilli
2004-03-05 01:01:02 UTC
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Hello,

Is there some material which I can paint onto the surface of a
polyurethane mold, which will hinder the outer layer of a plaster cast from
setting up - hopefully in an uneven fashion - and can be easily washed off upon
de-molding? And, I should add, not degrade the mold at all.

Much Obliged,
Ethan Gross
Dan S
2004-03-05 01:56:22 UTC
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Yup: soap!
Plaster can't cure well in its presence so you should get a nice crappy
surface.
Try painting on dishwashing soap.
I have been leaving castings out in the weather for a season to get this.
Also, working with plaster just as it is setting gives a travertine-like
texture.
dan

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Post by Akilli
Hello,
Is there some material which I can paint onto the surface of a
polyurethane mold, which will hinder the outer layer of a plaster cast from
setting up - hopefully in an uneven fashion - and can be easily washed off upon
de-molding? And, I should add, not degrade the mold at all.
Much Obliged,
Ethan Gross
Andrew Werby
2004-03-05 19:53:06 UTC
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Post by Akilli
Hello,
Is there some material which I can paint onto the surface of a
polyurethane mold, which will hinder the outer layer of a plaster cast from
setting up - hopefully in an uneven fashion - and can be easily washed off upon
de-molding? And, I should add, not degrade the mold at all.
Much Obliged,
Ethan Gross
[Are you sure you want to do this? It seems that anything like that would
weaken the plaster. Why not make a good casting and distress it later? You
can sand-blast it, roll it down a hill, scratch it with tools, tumble it in
a barrel - all without impairing the basic integrity of your plaster
casting.

If it's just a randomly uneven surface you want, try painting the mold with
a clay/water slip. This won't weaken the plaster, but it can be washed off
the mold and casting without any ill-effects.]

Andrew Werby
www.unitedartworks.com
Gary Waller
2004-03-05 22:57:10 UTC
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Post by Akilli
Hello,
Is there some material which I can paint onto the surface of a
polyurethane mold, which will hinder the outer layer of a plaster cast from
setting up - hopefully in an uneven fashion - and can be easily washed off upon
de-molding? And, I should add, not degrade the mold at all.
Much Obliged,
Ethan Gross
I've already posted one of my techniques earlier: get some clear, not green,
polyvinyl alcohol mold release (PVA) - this is alcohol and water based, not
stinky or dangerous, brush on to mold surface, get sand and sprinkle onto
the wet, sticky surface. You can let it dry a bit, or even a lot, just be
careful pouring your plaster if it is still wet. Then demold and wash the
surface with a brush and water, and then let it dry. This is for an old
stone finish. I've even used this with polyester resin castings. It works
great and protects the molds too. The same mold can produce fine, medium or
heavy grained surface - depending on the character of the sand/aggregate you
add. I should point out that a lot of the sand remains stuck to the
plaster - it enhances the stone effect, but may not be the look you are
after.

If you want a real 'fractured' look, you will have to pour a 'face mix' in
the mold first - plaster with a retarder, 'soldate' is the very best,
available from Laguna Clay in small quantities. WHen it is starting to set,
pour in your unretarded batch of plaster, and it should set faster than the
retarded face, so the face will look like if you tried to demold before the
plaster set, but the piece will not break, etc. Another thought is to add
lime putty to the face mix, it really slows down the cure, but eventually
cures harder than plaster - you can work the surface while it is still
'green'. Lime and plaster are best friends.

There is another way too - but more for high production environment - where
you include air entrainment chemicals/ nuggets in the facemix, and they fizz
up, creating those travertine marble type effects. There is a company called
formglass who uses a proprietary technique along these lines. Maybe chunks
of 'alka seltzer' or those bath bombs. I made molds for a bath bomb factory
once, I forget the materials but still remember the stench of bargain
basement fragrances. I think bicarbonate of soda? Maybe procedure "A" with
seltzer chunks in place of sand - but it will start bubbling as soon as it
hits the water of the PVA.

I can think of a few more ways too. If I was to do this today, I would cast
in a foamed hydrostone or oxychloride cement, and then work the piece with
files, rasps and chisels.

So tell us Ethan - watchya makin? I still remember your wonderful 'magic
realism' 'surrealistic' painting.
Akilli
2004-03-06 04:26:48 UTC
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Thanks All,

I am humbled by the expertise marshalled to produce lousy castings.
Since it is a randomly degraded surface I am looking for, I can try the soap,
clay slip, or PVA/sand methods, all of which sound good. I don't think mere
physical abuse can reach the all undercuts and interstices, but then, I never
saw Jackie Chan naked.
I had produced molds of some architectural ornaments of my own design,
and poured a weak plaster mix into one. I then demolded too soon, and to my
delight, the cast came out with a surface worthy of the chlorite guy, except
with a provenance. It was, as Andrew noted, pretty crumbly.
Gary, thanks for mentioning my paintings. I have green PVA on tap, what
makes the clear different?

Ethan
Gary Waller
2004-03-06 15:48:15 UTC
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Post by Akilli
Thanks All,
Gary, thanks for mentioning my paintings. I have green PVA on tap, what
makes the clear different?
Ethan
No chemical difference- the green might color the plaster, and color your
teeth if you make a martini with the leftovers.
Gary Waller
2004-03-07 04:00:42 UTC
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Post by Gary Waller
and color your
teeth if you make a martini with the leftovers.
Maybe that's the case here - Ethan: what's going on here with this geek
variation of the - rock -paper-scissors game
http://www.samkass.com/theories/RPSSL.html

Too much PVA - or - 'is this something?'.?

Simon
2004-03-06 09:15:57 UTC
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Post by Akilli
Hello,
Is there some material which I can paint onto the surface of a
polyurethane mold, which will hinder the outer layer of a plaster cast from
setting up - hopefully in an uneven fashion - and can be easily washed off upon
de-molding? And, I should add, not degrade the mold at all.
Much Obliged,
Ethan Gross
Try Tri Sodium Citrate ..... perhaps using a little PVA ... sprinkle some
TSC crystals on the surface and it will hinder and bleed in to the wet
plaster and retard it where ever you have sprinkled crystals ..... wash down
after demould with a hose and you should get a pitted effect ..... or mix
TSC in to the water for the skin coat .. but not too much because it can
retard the plaster from setting for weeks if not permanantly!!
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