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Strengthening Plaster of Paris
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David
2004-02-04 10:42:24 UTC
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What added to plaster of paris will make it stronger? Even a tad? Metal
powders? Shredded rubber? Epoxy mixed in? Aluminium or steel mesh? Special
coatings? Perhaps the finish is the key? Perhaps heating or some sort of
heat treatment? Perhaps using something other than plaster of paris is best
but just a curiosity.
Dan S
2004-02-04 15:12:36 UTC
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Adding fiber.
i use fiberglass mat, others use sisal or burlap or-- almost anything.
Also, you go up the ladder of plaster formulations. Go to USG.com or ask
your supplier.
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Dan Spector
***@earthlink.net
http://www.archicast.com
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Post by David
What added to plaster of paris will make it stronger? Even a tad? Metal
powders? Shredded rubber? Epoxy mixed in? Aluminium or steel mesh? Special
coatings? Perhaps the finish is the key? Perhaps heating or some sort of
heat treatment? Perhaps using something other than plaster of paris is best
but just a curiosity.
Andrew Werby
2004-02-04 19:55:04 UTC
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Post by David
What added to plaster of paris will make it stronger? Even a tad? Metal
powders?
[Nope]

Shredded rubber?

[No way.]

Epoxy mixed in?

[Yuck!]

Aluminium or steel mesh?

[Plaster rusts steel; aluminum might work better. Sisal or other
non-metallic fibers are often used as reinforcement.]

Special
Post by David
coatings?
[That will consolidate the outer surface, but won't really add strength.]

Perhaps the finish is the key?

[No, but proper mixing helps.]

Perhaps heating or some sort of
Post by David
heat treatment?
[That will weaken it.]

Perhaps using something other than plaster of paris is best
Post by David
but just a curiosity.
[What are you trying to do with it? Plaster is a great material, but it has
its limitations, particularly for outdoor installations. You can harden it a
bit by adding a small amount of dextrin, you can add fibers, and you can
alloy it with portland cement, or you can buy proprietary blends (HydroCal,
Tuffstone, GardenCast) that have these materials added already.]

Andrew Werby
www.unitedartworks.com
Gary Waller
2004-02-04 23:53:47 UTC
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Post by David
What added to plaster of paris will make it stronger? Even a tad? Metal
powders? Shredded rubber? Epoxy mixed in? Aluminium or steel mesh? Special
coatings? Perhaps the finish is the key? Perhaps heating or some sort of
heat treatment? Perhaps using something other than plaster of paris is best
but just a curiosity.
The most common additive is 'concrete binder" an acrylic latex solution,
cheap, and available from concrete yards. It also helps the fibers stick
within the plaster - Forton, Milestone and Winterstone are all variations of
this approach. Newsgroup members should also know that 'water base epoxies'
are starting to become common in Canada and USA - they offer superior
strength, but are mostly added to the "face mix" because of cost, and
usually in concrete more than plaster. Old school is alum solution, aluminum
sulphate and water, rubbed or soaked into the surface - there are many, many
old things come to think of it - soaking in milk was another - Let me know
if you want more. They sort of went out when the high strength plasters were
introduced, but maybe should come back with the high price of plaster these
days (natural gas price and product liability insurance related) .

When we are talking strength, we mean 'tensile' strength - the ability to
take a shock, 'flexural' strength - the ability to recover from a bend, or
'compressive' strength, the ability to take a sharp hammer. Plaster, out of
the $2 a lb bag, is less than 2,000 psi compressive, and the $7.50 a lb bag,
hydrostone, the 'strongest' plaster (which also contains portland cement)
will give you 8,000 psi. If you are in North America, also check out the
Georgia Pacific line of gypsum based plasters, which are more varied and
often better priced - especially "Densite". These prices are local Canada
retail by the way.

Plaster is still a great all round material and especially nice that it
cures fast and doesn't shrink. There is a whole mysterious world of exotic
cements that are much, much higher performance than plaster or portland but
information and materials are hard to come by, and expensive (or simply
unavailable) in less than ton quantities.

I almost forgot, heat curing or more porperly 'post curing' can make a
dramatic difference in the strength and reliability of casts - we are
talking maybe 100F temperature, for 8 hours, with good moving air and a
dehudifier. This is especially important with long casts, which will warp
while still 'green' - even though they may feel dry to touch.
Andrew Werby
2004-02-04 23:54:28 UTC
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Post by David
What added to plaster of paris will make it stronger? Even a tad? Metal
powders?
[Nope]

Shredded rubber?

[No way.]

Epoxy mixed in?

[Yuck!]

Aluminium or steel mesh?

[Plaster rusts steel; aluminum might work better. Sisal or other
non-metallic fibers are often used as reinforcement.]

Special
Post by David
coatings?
[That will consolidate the outer surface, but won't really add strength.]

Perhaps the finish is the key?

[No, but proper mixing helps.]

Perhaps heating or some sort of
Post by David
heat treatment?
[That will weaken it.]

Perhaps using something other than plaster of paris is best
Post by David
but just a curiosity.
[What are you trying to do with it? Plaster is a great material, but it has
its limitations, particularly for outdoor installations. You can harden it a
bit by adding a small amount of dextrin, you can add fibers, and you can
alloy it with portland cement, or you can buy proprietary blends (HydroCal,
Tuffstone, GardenCast) that have these materials added already.]

Andrew Werby
www.unitedartworks.com
George Graham
2004-02-07 19:23:23 UTC
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To strengthen plaster of paris, a squirt of one of the PVA white glues seems
to work, I would think with the other suggestions of reinforcing it with
scrim, bandage and even fibre glass, the glue is fairly cheap.
Also, in a leaflet I read from the USA, it stated plaster and the water
shouldn't be mixed in temps below 20deg C. I live in East Lothian, Scotland,
these instructions would give me rather a smal 'window' in which to do
plaster work.
I think David should tell us what he is doing or wants to do. Anyway, best
of luck.
George
Bill and Aimee' Bywater
2004-02-08 00:12:13 UTC
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You can try using Ulracal which is a blend of Plaster of Paris and
Portland cement.
-Bill
Post by David
What added to plaster of paris will make it stronger? Even a tad? Metal
powders? Shredded rubber? Epoxy mixed in? Aluminium or steel mesh? Special
coatings? Perhaps the finish is the key? Perhaps heating or some sort of
heat treatment? Perhaps using something other than plaster of paris is best
but just a curiosity.
Dan S
2004-02-20 01:40:17 UTC
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Ultracal has cement in it?? That's news to me. Probably news to USG too.
Someone here once said you could put something on plaster which would turn
the surface to some stone.. was sodium silicate involved??
Hey, who is John? what site?
Dan
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Post by Bill and Aimee' Bywater
You can try using Ulracal which is a blend of Plaster of Paris and
Portland cement.
-Bill
Post by David
What added to plaster of paris will make it stronger? Even a tad? Metal
powders? Shredded rubber? Epoxy mixed in? Aluminium or steel mesh? Special
coatings? Perhaps the finish is the key? Perhaps heating or some sort of
heat treatment? Perhaps using something other than plaster of paris is best
but just a curiosity.
Billy Hiebert
2004-02-20 16:30:31 UTC
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Yeah, me too Dan. I thought Ultracal had dextrin added, or something
similar, so that when it was dried, the surface would get harder. Guess
I'll have to look through some old USG literature and post it if I find
anything.
--
Billy Hiebert
HIEBERT SCULPTURE WORKS
Small Part Injection Molding
http://www.hieberts.com
Post by Dan S
Ultracal has cement in it?? That's news to me. Probably news to USG too.
Someone here once said you could put something on plaster which would turn
the surface to some stone.. was sodium silicate involved??
Hey, who is John? what site?
Dan
fa301709
2004-02-17 09:45:56 UTC
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Post by David
What added to plaster of paris will make it stronger? Even a tad? Metal
powders? Shredded rubber? Epoxy mixed in? Aluminium or steel mesh? Special
coatings? Perhaps the finish is the key? Perhaps heating or some sort of
heat treatment? Perhaps using something other than plaster of paris is best
but just a curiosity.
George Graham
2004-02-18 09:31:07 UTC
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To strengthen, rather than reinforce, use one of the PVA glues in the
plaster mix.
George
George Graham
2004-02-18 09:35:29 UTC
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I have just had a belated look at John's site, the figures are remarkable.
His system, of reinforcing plaster with the glass fibre paper, looks to be
very successful.
Best Wishes, George
George Graham
2004-02-20 16:49:25 UTC
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Hello Dan S, I looked up the site given by 'fa301709' in a previous message
regarding plaster.
Obviously 'John' knows what he is doing with plaster
http://site.voila.fr/johnbulteel
regards George
Gary Waller
2004-02-20 23:57:38 UTC
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Post by fa301709
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The nice thing about hemp, besides its amazing strength and bonding to
plaster and non-portland cement, is that any 'whiskers' which stick out the
cast or sculpt, are easily blasted and destroyed with a propane torch -
don't try that with glass or plastic fibers. There is a big industrial hemp
company in France too?

Here's a simple idea - lets try to use as natural, environmentally
co-operative material as possible, whenever possible.

ANybody interested in a thread on this. Potassium silicate is a type of
water glass which is super on cement or plaster - is has no odor/voc's, is
fireproof, and is simply silica sand dissolved in potash, and it goes back
to silica crystals as it 'cures', and therefore does not 'clog' the pores of
wood, concrete, plaster, terracotta - enabling water to flow through - very
important . A breathing skin rather than a waterproof/airproof barrier. I
can tell you where to buy five gallon jugs of the concentrate for very low
cost - compared to paint. It also dries flat/matte. The only drawback is
that it is highly alkaline (a germicidal too) and uses pigments safe for
lime and concrete - colors outside of the oxide range (earth colors) are
expensive but still much more vibrant and cheaper than latex or alkyd.
mick
2004-04-03 12:55:32 UTC
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Do you need to harden as well as strengthen the material?

I've used materials like hessian scrim and galvanised chicken whire to
strengthen plaster of paris, rust hasn't been a problem. If you want to
harden the plaster of paris try Tiranti's Plaster Polymer, a bit pricey but
excellent results.

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